Eternal Lies - Malta Wrapup

0:31 OK, great. Hi. Hello. Let's rock. I didn't realize we had started. Hi, everybody. I'm Daniel and this. Is Daniel's Trent tennis? And we're doing a post mortem on our recent adventure in Daniel's Threat Tales. You may be seeing our faces for this. Maybe you're just listening to the podcast if you don't see our faces. But we are trying out doing our like postscripts on video to see if that's the thing people care about. At least you're. Trying to and if you do want to see our faces, you should check on YouTube channel or yes my as Russell says, look behind you. And you're probably just seeing a still image of my face. It's long been established on this podcast that technology is not my friend.

1:33 Yeah, after an exploding laptop, that tends to happen. You're prepared for. The no. But this is This is the laptop that Dan gave me. This is the This is the big recording Frisbee. All right, well, welcome, everyone. I guess we should all introduce ourselves. I you probably shouldn't be listening to this if you don't know us, but maybe you could attach a face to the the voice. So I already said it. Hi. Hello. I'm Daniel from Daniel's dread tails The the titular the eponymous Daniel.

2:14 What up, yo, other people, introduce yourselves. Go. Hi, I'm Damien, also obviously from Daniel's Red Tails. I'm generally the person who runs the monthly streams. Cool. Next. I'm which one am I again? Right. I'm Renee eBay. I'm sort of newly regular around these parts. Hello. I'm Russell, I play Colin Kane and do other stuff. Cool.

2:56 All right. I guess I used to play K Morgan, but after today I mean. She's bacon. I'm sorry. Yeah. I specifically consented. That is true. And and I'm Nathan. I'm a still image right now, but also he him regular round these parts. It is what it is. And you play JBI? Do K fucking exploded team. Yeah, I guess we want to start with that. K exploded.

3:42 So that's the thing that happened. K exploded. That was that was wild times, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that definitely put a, I'm going to say that definitely put a monkey wrench in the plans that I had as Reg because like my plan A was I was going in grenades blazing and then Kay gets snatched and I'm like, well, crap, I can't do the thing. But The thing is that that's absolutely what Kay would do, because neither Renee nor Kay were seeing any way that we would be getting out of that alive because.

4:26 I will note we should go back and listen episode. I'm not quite sure who first suggests that there should be a flamethrower in the in the case of weapons. I'm yeah, I was about to say, I'm pretty sure it was Renee. I am like 88% certain that that was Renee's idea. I listened to that episode and yes. OK, well, choose the form of your destroyer, I suppose. And also, too, we did have another option because the weird Knights of Malta guy gave me that one spell to use. He did? Yeah, that that would have been an option. Yeah, it vanishes in our laptop.

5:11 But look, when you're inside the mouth, you kind of have to think fast. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, that's that's that that is. Kay has some experience with the mouths. Now if, as what's his name, Kitaro suggested it were a nose, would that be better or worse for Kay? I do not want to die, float like drowning in a mess of boogers so. That would be the new nectar. What they would be, they would be eating the. Green instead of boring. Now I will.

5:51 Sorry. Go ahead, Daniel. I was just going to say, I mean depends on, you know, what's coming out. Maybe they got a sinus infection. It's kind of a clear that, you know, there's different things that it could look like. And I am begging you with all of my heart, shut the fuck up. All I was going to add is I think the campaign would have been a little bit more disturbing if it was like noses or like, say ears or something just odd like that. OK, but ears aren't known for biting people. No, they're not. Neither are noses. Earwash though. Oh God.

6:34 Like, look, I'm happy with this death. I I think it's like the first time I've ever died in any meaningful way like other than in a one shot. Honestly, you went out like AG. Yeah, it was a fairly honorable death. I feel like a heroic even. Yeah. Yeah, it's probably the most heroic death that anybody in this campaign is going to suffer. I'm just going to. Throw that out there right now. Let's let's find out, baby. Oh, let's not, let's not will further into existence.

7:15 No, I mean what do you think the rest of you are making it through this unscarred? Unscarred. No. Alive, hopefully. Yeah, I mean, if I you know what I'm trying to think if I was to everybody, place your bets, who's making it through the campaign alive? Who's got the best chances? I'll put some more points in Fleet and guarantee it's Colton. OK, imagine if Grandju. Makes it not only alive, but perfectly sane. Hey, if I make. It. I was about to say, if I make it to the end of the campaign with sanity above zero I will be shocked. And by eye I mean red obviously, because yeah, I think I'm at what, 4 sanity as my Max now?

8:07 Or something along those lines. Probably 5 man, that's not a big number. No, it's not. To be fair, though, I think I started with like seven. I deliberately started with less. Yeah, yay for Cthulhu Methos knowledge. So by the way, I don't know if this is quite the time for this, but fuck it, it is. Now if we're talking about how many points we have in stuff, I should note that surviving investigators do get advancement. So congratulations, you get more points.

8:50 You get 2 build points for each session that you participated in. Oh geez. OK, so more than 8 then? Yeah. I was about to say, Mr. Editor, how many sessions have we done for this arc? All right, this should be easy to figure out, so I have no idea. That's real. And how do we count the half session that happened because of the Wi-Fi fuckiness? Oh. Because yeah, that was 2 sessions, but only one episode. I say we count episodes. I say we count episodes. That makes sense.

9:32 Yeah, OK. Maltese Mayhem episode 7 or 8. I'm about to check gone through the files. 7. 6 episodes in Malta. OK, you have 12 points to spend. Congratulations. Each one of those is spent at a one to one rate to improving your skills. Nice. Yay. I need to decide what I'm going to spend those on.

10:12 So ponder that while we continue going through this, Kay. However, you're not going to be upgrading your skills. What, what is the plan for what you're going to do? Renee? Is this the last time we're going to be talking to you on the podcast for now? No. Yeah, Bye bye everyone. No, no, obviously not at the end of the session when I exploded as it was suggested in sort of 1/2 joking manner that I maybe want to take over currents and I'm like, no thank you because that asshole just shut the door in my face.

10:54 So let him fucking steal in that. That was my thinking. And then I was like, hang on, I know exactly what that feels like the, you know, angst and, you know, self loathing and that sort of stuff. So I would be stoked to play that. So I think at least for the foreseeable future, I will be taking over Franklin Kearns. Right. Cool, you'll be the pilot. Hopefully you don't die again because well, I guess we doesn't Reg have points in pilot? Who is Reg? Points.

11:35 Oh yes, Reg has points in pilot. Reg has points in I think both piloting and driving. Cool, so we could kill Reg because piloting IS is handled by Kurds. Perfect. I I. Mean if it happens, it happens. Guaranteed. I'd rather not Reg die, but I mean whatever the narrative dictates. Yeah, By the way, for the record, I did not go into that thinking like, you know what time it is, It's time to kill one of the players. It's specifically it's time to kill Renee. Fuck all this. Her character seems to be developing kind of an interesting arc. I'm uninterested in pursuing that. Yeah. You know.

12:16 Taking on me since day one. OK, yes, but I just pick on the people that are available. Take Nathan for example. He also got picked on a little bit and that's just because he was alone. Also, I do want to point out your biggest problem for this whole thing was your bizarre idea that after kidnapping a man and blackmailing him that you should take a day off. It's a great idea. I think it turns out great. I deal with the choices you make, I I try not to judge them too much.

13:00 I. Feel like there was definitely some judgement going. On there was, yeah. Well, the consequences that resulted from it were the logical consequences, and if anything I feel like I might have pulled my punch on that a little bit. Yeah, sure. Like, well, what was her name? Diana. Diane. Diana. Diana. Yeah. What do you, what did you think was going to happen here? You think you're going to take a date off like? Whoa. Judgement. Yeah, I maybe had the character address the camera a little bit right. That one came from the heart, Dan, we could all tell. Yeah. I'm trying to ratchet up the tension and then you're like, let's have a beach episode.

13:50 The tension was tense. That's why we needed a spa day. The end of that spa day made me cry. It's true. Can't can't confirm. Yeah, but it wasn't a spa day anymore at that point. That was somebody was getting the crap beat out of them and being forcefully addicted to drugs. Yep. That is exactly what happened. So my question now actually, Nathan, how do you think that's going to affect JB? Yeah, that's a good question. That's. A good. Question, and I'm not entirely sure, but I'm definitely going to be working with that as I go. If you want to know mechanically how it's going to work is that if you have a good amount of free time with nothing to do, you are going to need to make a stability test to not go out and try to get back there.

14:53 That is what it's going to be. No more spot days for JB. OK, All right. I guess JB is going to be Stephen Kinging it where I if he if he feels like he needs drugs. Nope. Time to write for 13 hours straight. Oh, I thought you meant Stephen King in the 80s where he was on drugs for 24 hours straight. Yes, yeah, I specifically mean Stephen King post kicking it. Not not Maximum OverDrive. Stephen King. No. Who?

15:34 Who wrote I? Am actually like right now reading his writing memoir. Super interesting. His childhood was insane. That does not surprise me in the least. You were saying something, Grenade. What was that? Who wrote the Flowers of Evil? Who was that? I don't know. The flowers of evil. Yeah. OVG. You not. When I Google Flowers of Evil, I get a South Korean television. Is that what we're talking about? No. Charles Baudelaire. Thank you. Yes, thank you, Baudelaire. They were. They were all slaves to the Green Fairy.

16:14 That's what they used to call absence. Slaves to the green fairy. I'll have to remember that one. Yes, I, I think that happened to one of my characters in an old Dungeons and Dragons game, actually. But then they made friends with the then they killed that fairy and made a new fairy become the new fairy queen. It was the whole thing. But yeah, I it was actually horribly kind of just ripped almost wholesale from Final Fantasy 14, but. As you know. Whatever, they were 20th level characters. I needed to figure out weird shit. They fuck Godzilla at one point anyway so. What? And that, you know what, I'm sorry, I take that didn't invite Nathan.

16:58 They didn't fight Godzilla. They fought King Ghidorah, who had came up with Strawd. I remember you telling us this story. Yes, yes, yes. They did befriend Azilla beating the one from the the 90s American version Anyway, so we're got off track here. So let's talk about it. So obviously we talked about the biggest thing, which is of course Kay's dead how which is a lot, but. That's a lot. Yeah, this is our first real death in any of these ongoing games that we've played. So yeah, it was OK.

17:44 We're just going to have to be ready for that because my philosophy on this is that, I mean, if especially when Renee was like, do it, do it. I was like, OK, yeah. Well, then obviously that's that's the only way that's going to happen. Yeah. And you have figured out that sort of a way to kill the mouths, or at least defeat them, is explosions and fire, which is convenient. I mean we are two for 2:00 on that because the first one we took out with, well at least we assume we took out with fire. The first one, the first one that's still alive in Los Angeles, and it's just kind of chill in there that you ran away from.

18:28 Yeah, I don't know. Building on fire and it like we, as far as we as characters know, it's probably dead as far as we players know. Definitely do. You think your characters even think it's dead? No. OK. I think if anything, the characters prefer not to think too hard about. It yeah, Colin probably didn't ask too many questions, so he doesn't know what to assume. Yes. I also don't have. Grenade or didn't have grenades at that point so. Yeah, well, now you know what? To do throw the only woman in the group inside the mouth and fucking.

19:10 Kaboom Yes, that strap palms to the how many men in the. Group right? Fox. Yeah, it had nothing to do with the giant tank of propellant strapped to your back. Watch out, these things might be like the Borg. Maybe they're going to be immune to it next time you try it. We'll just set phasers to full. OK, just modulate the frequency. Yeah. Where are you going to find this many characters? Anyway, so fuck off. So we have so I know we're focused on that, but there's a lot of other stuff that was happening in Malta. How do we feel about this story that that sort of played out and then kind of ended in AI?

20:00 Don't want to say anticlimactically, but in a not quite the way that everybody was seeing that it was going to go. Any sort of highlights that we think from this little arc in Malta? Oh. It's funny, I know you didn't like it. That was a great episode. It was, it was a really good episode. I I will say. I. Really, I really enjoyed unraveling the mystery behind Donovan I had. I thought that was a lot of fun. Yeah, figuring out what his deal was. And then like when you realize, like, oh, his wife's dead. Oh, Oh yeah.

20:46 I was there and not about the wife, but about the child. Which is. Which is that, and I might be mad at gaming here. I'm obviously mad at gaming here but witches The reason that the kid is comatose and it happened after his mom was gone is because he is like like astral projecting or something and looking for her. Oh. Interesting. Yeah, that's, that's definitely an interesting take on that.

21:28 I'm kind of still standing behind my original. Well, actually More Reg's theory that the the the sacrifice of Donovan's kid technically already happened in like spiritual form, it's just his physical body hasn't been consumed by a mouth. Well, I know what happened, but you know of. Course you know, but if you tell. Us it. It ruins all the fun so. Exactly. I will say that's one of the biggest things that I've been leaning into on this is it's called eternal lies. It's going to be hard to figure out the truth of what's going on. Did I explain why though?

22:11 Is there something that stuck stood out to you that made it seem like that's what was going on? Is it was something that you mentioned to me like outside of the game? Spoilers well. Now I'm curious. I was like, I sort of assumed that like the moment that like when Kay was casting the hyperspace gate spell, the mirror was cracking because the gazer was looking at me. And then Daniel said that you're not the one the gazer is looking at. And that's when I was like, wait, but who's the gazer?

22:51 Look? Who is the gazer looking? Fuck the kid. Well, now we're just adding some meta knowledge there. But yeah, the gazer is looking at something. The gazer is looking at something. I added this. There was no point in covering my ears. Yeah, exactly. You're going to hear it eventually anyway. Well, now that's a cryptic clue for everybody out there. Maybe the gazer is looking at something, but maybe not AK. Maybe somebody we know. Maybe. Maybe someone we haven't met yet. Maybe somebody we met in the very first episode. Maybe not anyway, no, don't worry. I am leaving the clues there.

23:36 There is AI mean there's a couple of big mysteries still lurking underneath all of this. I think one of the biggest is of course, who is the liar from beyond? Who is the thing with a million mouths? What? What's their deal? Your. Me, me, me, me, me, man. Oh yeah, sure, I sure I'm this isn't a classroom. You're good. But. It's a good way of signaling you need attention. I appreciate it, actually it worked well, but. I think we are not dealing with as a Thoth or neural azatif or anybody. I think we're dealing with Shob Nagirath the goat with 1000 Young.

24:21 A lot of. Sense. Depicted as this brighting mass of tentacles and mouth. And mouth and who? Produces children. All of them. Yeah, shit, how did I never catch that? I mean, it's definitely a very distinct possibility. Like it it would track. And then one of the stories and the one of the Lovecraft stories there was, I think it it was the rats in the walls. I think in that story there was a reference to a sex cult worshipping the goat of the words the goat with 1000 thousand young. And here, ladies and gentlemen, we see the ultimate test of Daniel Fernandez's poker face.

25:10 Oh yeah? What? Yeah, that's an interesting theory that you have. I think it is Slan from the Berserk universe. Yeah, it doesn't necessarily have to be something from something that Lovecraft wrote. That is true. I suppose I. There's a good chance it is. I've actually never read Berserk. I hear Berserk is very good. It's on my list of things to do. I downloaded a big ass torrent. Don't tell anybody of Berserk that I'm. I'm going to work my way through one of these we're. Literally putting this on the Internet. Not well, it's fine.

25:51 You know what? I'll go delete it right now. Oh, actually, no. Parody. Parody, Parody, parody. Obviously I didn't torrent anything. That's just what? It's a joke. This is going to be a long bleep. Another April first episode. Yeah, yeah, that's what I will say. The thing might not be something that Lovecraft wrote, although maybe that's just another one of my fucking. Lies you heard your first, folks. The storyteller is gaslighting all of us. Yes. He does that a lot.

26:32 I mean OK, if it is a crossover, if it is a piece of crossover fiction, I will be so mad. If it's going to be anything then the giant head from Rick and Morty then go show me what you got. I didn't say it was a crossover. It's not going to be like fucking Dark Side shows up and then Superman has to punch him. Like it's not kind of it's. Going to be so fun. No, it's Prang. It's you're right. It's Cray. You just got to you got to train. You're going to go to the the Far East, train yourself to be ninjas, go into sewers, eat some bean turtles, say Cowabonga a lot. Yeah.

27:20 That that mystery is still going on. You have, I will say, pretty solid victory over the cult at this point. You destroyed one of their mouths and your exposure of them did make them try to blow up their warehouse, which they did do. A lot of them got away, which is not going to be as good for you, but you know, that's probably fine. Yeah, won't come back and bite us at all. Yeah, right. It's fine. Interesting choice of words. And. Now it sounds for everyone. So what?

28:01 So obviously, you know, you have a couple of other leads to follow here of like other places in the world that you could go to. But I guess maybe my question is like, how do you stop this thing? Do you have any grand plan of how you stop this thing yet? We find out where the base is under that mysterious mountain and cast the big fuck off spell. Because. We've learned both of those facts in that adventure. OK, I'm glad to hear you say that because I sometimes worry you don't pick up on what's going on in the game.

28:41 Was that directed at all of us, or me specifically? I don't know which I would be more offended by actually. You know what, Nathan? It wasn't to you specifically. OK. I guess I'll take it. Yeah, I was going to say all. Of us are dumb. I I I was just going to say Reg's plan is magic. Yeah, right. And what more things change? The more they say the same, huh? They man. Yeah, and what is the name of that spell you got? I did. I write. That OK, I admit I didn't write it down. I just remember that we got it. The spell to unravel is what you had told me and it require from a nameless text and it requires shouting, essentially shouting loud in.

29:26 So if there's more details, you're going to need to get those to me because I didn't get those. I am 1000% sure that's not going to work on whatever we're actually fighting. Why do you say that? Oh, here's a spell specifically for this God that you haven't figured out. Want to do it yet? It's specifically for this one God. Anyway, go have fun. That'll probably do it. You do, yes. It should be noted that that spell is specifically for working against a specific God. A. Specific God. No, it was like Lovecraft begun. Maybe, maybe it'd work on everything, but it's like anti. Neurlath attempt.

30:12 Remember, you actually had a little bit of an argument with Godfrey about Neurlath attempt. Yep, yeah, he don't like it's just it's a spell that vanishes out Neurlath attempt so. Wait, is that a different spell than the spell that we found in the safe in the guy's office? That opens up the sky, yeah. OK. And it's a special place, like an explosion, so I can't imagine it's important. Yeah, you you got actually 3 spells this time. You got one spell that opens up the sky, which is apparently something you have to do to find the horrible thing. You got one spell to banish Neurolathotep, and you got one spell that lets you teleport well, and now you don't have that. The person who knew that spell isn't around anymore, but somebody else can learn.

31:05 It I guess I was planning on that. I, I think, I think JB will probably pick that up. That makes. Sense. OK, great. I I am trained in physics so I get the like cool bonus. Oh, there you go. Yeah, OK. Makes sense? Good, good, good. I was wondering if Colin might try and keep that out of people's hands just because it was Kay's. Interesting. I think you. Would have to snatch it from Reg because I think Reg is going to pick it up. What? We're all returning our books to the library of Reg. Well, no, it's just more that Reg was the one that that had picked it up.

31:50 And I would hope everybody's returning the books to the like central depository like it would make sense does Reg all of us to learn and go crazy while reading. Does Reg actually make us fill out library cards? Yes, fair. And he, he, he has created his own little mini Dewey Decimal System. You could use the existing one, no OK. I know what I'm going to do. What are you going to do? When it comes to Reg, I'm going to try to punch him in the face first thing. Nice.

32:31 Why is O right? Because of the whole K thing. Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, Colin is too squishy. Sorry, Colin. I've got an average number of health points. Yeah, you got what -1 athletics. At this point I. Think. 2 That's not how you can't have -1 that's not how the system works. But. But I mean JB wasn't there. Colin is soft boiled. Reg is a soldier with guns and grenades and also magic, and he was the one who threw the grenade. Yeah.

33:19 I'm. Not because that will be an interesting thing that we will see in the future. Speaking of the future, where do you intend to take your party next? We can explain it more in character, but as we've mentioned before, I need to fucking prep, so you got to tell me where you're going to go first so I could prep that area. I'll fly you. Do you remember your? Choices. I know Bangkok, Mexico City and there was another one. Ethiopia. Ethiopia. Yes. Do you remember what's going on in Ethiopia? Ayers is going on in Ethiopia.

34:01 He went there for an archaeological dig. Yes, my vote is in that guy, in that. Ayers is in Ethiopia, Bangkok. You heard something about new rights that were being performed. And in Mexico City, there is, it looks like the record, there's a record company involved in the Colts. I'm curious about that one, but it doesn't seem super pressing. Yeah. Was the Spanish made guitar significant? Was it made by the Lose Disco studio? That wouldn't have been Spanish made. That would have been Mexican made. Also, I don't think we actually investigated the guitar all that deeply.

34:44 This is also true, so I heard Ethiopia, that is. Is that where we want to go? We want to track down Ayers? He seems to not nobody's. Nobody has mentioned Ayers recently in discussions of the cult. For a second there, Donovan said he was leading the cult. That was and then that was. Corrected. Yeah, well, yeah, but that's just because I misspoke. Yeah. So I. Just have honesty on that and everything. So to to kind of justify why I suggest Ethiopia is because the whole airs thing is kind of one of our loose ends from the first arc. And I think that would be a good one to tie up sooner rather than.

35:34 OK. I think the college part, he's discontent with all of the people we've let go, so maybe it's time to track one of them down, OK? Well, now it's time, I guess you'll be able to break out your Lawrence of Arabia style garb that's flowing. Robes, sandals, that sort of thing. Vienna. I guess Arabia backed as well. OK. Copyright Renee. Copyright Parody. Parody. It's not parrot if you just sing the song. All that apart noise in there. OK, great. OK. It was also short enough that YouTube won't care. Yeah, exactly.

36:16 No, you're still within the league, but it's fine. So we'll be going to Ethiopia. We got some points to spend. I think I'll need to one-on-one work with you Renee, before we record to actually fill out areas of skills fuck I'm doing. Everyone is airs now. That's a whole other thing. That's actually an unarmed game I made once. Anyway, everybody was named Bill, so. Or at least there are different manifestations of Bill throughout different realities. Confusing. Yeah, that campaign didn't sort of self destructed.

36:57 So anyway. Seems like that's such a man. So I guess the so it looks like we have most of our stuff figured out for going into the future. Did we have any questions? I know that we are recording this episode before the final episode where K dies has come out, but do we have any questions either from you guys that we want to talk about or from the Discord or e-mail or anything like that? What we suddenly. Put our e-mail at the end of the credits. That'd be a good idea, I bet. Yeah, 'cause the only thing we got with the e-mail right now are AI generated requests to guest on fake podcasts or have people guest on our podcast.

37:48 OK so because I see those emails come in because of being attached to the Google account. Every time I see one, I laugh my ass off. There was the one that was like, oh, the the twist of Nathan's laptop exploding in the most recent episode. I'm I'm looking at that. I'm going that. That's just fucking. Gold. Comedy gold right there that. Is actually really funny. Yeah, clearly AI generated garbage. That's the real liar from Beyond. So I'm sorry, Russell, you were saying something about what ifs. What ifs? But what? Ifs we're going to posit some situations where if we had made different choices, what happened? OK, such as?

38:39 Renee Well, I kept the dibs on the what if we actually kept Donovan question. Like what if we didn't let him go? What if we, you know, kept him hostage? I would say that the Colt would probably notice that he was missing at some point and tried to track you down, unless you were just going to kidnap him and take him directly to his compound and use him for something. Yeah, Like it, it, I think it would have, I think Reg wouldn't have had an issue with that because like 1 of like Reg's regrets from this whole scenario is not being able to actually like take Donovan to task.

39:32 He did a little bit during the interrogation, but he he wanted to kick the shit out of Donovan. I got an extreme thunderstorm warning a little while ago and now I'm hearing it. All right. But well, hopefully it's not some horrible storm brought on by some sort of entity from beyond. OK, so I control the weather now. That's fair. Yeah. I knew it. Yeah, it's what people down in Southern California control the weather. That's why the weather's always nice here. You know there's a logic to it.

40:16 Yeah, but also we're not good at controlling it that well. So that's why there's the state catches on fire all the time. It's a small price to pay. Actually, it's a huge price to pay. It's horrible. So were there any other like do we think of like what if scenarios? Because that's a definite big one. Like you gave up Donovan after you had him, which, to be perfectly frank, was not what I expected to do, But, you know, whatever. Got to throw that those carve balls. You, you know what? You are always curving on me. You are sagging. On me. So I do have a question, Dan. Did Donovan rat us out or like we had him in and out in the time he was supposed to be visiting a grave? He ratted you out, dude.

41:02 He ratted you out immediately, dude. Oh yeah, the cow. Can I retroactively kick him when we find his corpse there? He's going to find him in the fucking afterlife and beat the shit out of him. Yeah, he thought that giving you guys up to the cult was going to be his way out. Moron. I mean. Forgive me. For thinking that he would act rationally. This is a cultist who sacrificed his wife to get drugs. Yeah, yeah. He did get it, but eventually so. Yeah, yeah. No, he yeah, the fact that he even talked to you guys and got captured was enough for the higher ups to be done with him.

41:50 Fair enough. Yeah, which you'd think he'd have realized that, but yeah, Anyway, for me, the what if that's been circling through my head a bit, is yeah, what if? What if we had sent Reg to do the pass instead of JB? Because like, I think Reg could have gotten out of that unscathed. And if we had, like, gone through all that without anybody getting kidnapped, that would have changed the finale of the arc of it, you know?

42:32 It would have. I will. Maybe. I think maybe you don't give yourself enough credit or give Reg too much credit. I don't know if Reg gets out of that. If he's, yeah, that's giving Reg too much credit. I think honestly, as far as the characters in the in the investigative group, the one that would have had the best chance in my opinion, of getting out on unscathed would have been Colin. And why is that? Colin is better at being stealthy than Reg's. OK, Yeah, well, shadowing anyway. Yeah. OK, right. Yeah, I mean also, I'll tell you the what if was, you know, the that monk was going to that that night of ball get herself to you at some point. You know, I've had him spying on you and what not to build it up. But then when one of you guys got kidnapped, I'm like, OK, time for this to happen.

43:30 I can finally get this character in there that they've been avoiding. Well, he also was going to like try to save you if you did something stupid, which was going to be if you guys, I mean, now I'll give you another one. If if you guys had tried to like go in with the part of the Donovan plan, like Donovan's going to get us in or whatever, Donovan would have been immediately like here they are guys. And then, and then, then there would have been like some explosives of the night would have come up from like the sewers or whatever and like tried to help you a little bit. You had one safe there that I had floating around. So now we get to carry it over to the next one. I.

44:12 Don't think no. You used it. It gave you a flamethrower. Well, OK, bad. Exactly, for all the good that. Shit, it killed the mouth. We killed the mouth with it. Among other things. It had an A. Yeah. Any other questions where we think about what might have happened? What if we just jumped straight to firebombing stuff once we knew the cult was in there? I don't. They would have killed you, Greg. Renee, Greg. But they'd be on fire. It's hard to kill people when you're on fire. They had guards outside watching like things that were going on. Also, they owned the place OK.

45:01 Police. Fuck yeah, it's your attack. It could have rained fire on them from the plane. I kind of have two what ifs myself. The the the first one is what if we would have gone into the catacombs earlier? Well, so you wouldn't have had the way to the the secret tunnel, like you wouldn't have had that until you met the guy. But if you had gone deep into the catacombs, you maybe would have run into the guy. You would have stumbled upon a shrine.

45:42 So yeah. And then the other one is what if we actually would have split up and sent somebody after JB whilst, you know. The other two went after the mouth. Oh yeah? Well. Originally what Reg's suggestion was, was Reg deal with the mouth and the other two go after JB because. Oh, Reg had gone alone against the mouth. Then a different person would have been blown up. Well, he he didn't. Well, no. If Reg was alone, don't we he wouldn't have gotten blown up. He would just probably just got beaten of those had grenades. So yeah, I am 100% of the opinion that Reg was probably going to blow himself up.

46:29 That was the fact that the this one was on the roof was definitely something I wasn't expecting. So even if I died anyway, someone was probably getting exploded there. Did you ever see a side note? But I reminded of this, You ever see Kong Skull Island? Technically. I know exactly what you're referencing now. There's a scene where a character pulls a pin on a grenade and approaches a monster to try to sacrifice himself and the monster just like knocks the grenade away and eats the guy. No, no, no. It's about. Him with the tail. He goes flying and explodes on the side of the mountain.

47:09 You're right, you're right, yes, He doesn't actually. But the point is he tries to do her own exam, right? And it just doesn't work whatsoever. And as he lived poorly. Yeah, it's it's almost like that whole movie. It's like talking about how, well, whatever, we don't need to get to the themes of a separate movie here. But that was. Dan, I would love to spend hours talking with you about the themes of giant monster movies. OK, so. We can we can make a do show and call it like Daniels Daikaiji Theatre or something. I can't imagine that would ever work. Nah. So Damien, you said you had two what ifs. Was there another one? No, no, you said the catalogs and then the split up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

47:52 OK, cool. Any other ideas there, Renee? A question from my friend Sarah, She kind of wants to know, what if you, as in me, didn't read that book and didn't get the powers? Yeah, how would we have handled it if we didn't have the? Portal we were already. Planning to kidnap Donovan. Being able to create gateways through space and time just made that a lot easier. Yeah. Yeah, that might have gotten you in the catacombs earlier. So I will also say that had Kay not read that book when she did, that was one of the next ones that read. I figured, I figured Reggie was probably going to do that, would have done that.

48:44 Like that was like the either the next book or the one after that because I've been kind of planning ahead. Then I threw a curveball at you. Love it, it happens. Prayer got me. Yeah, as we just continue to read these horrible books that really have not helped us much. Book Time. The results could be tragic, but they might just teach you magic. Yeah. So by any secrets to possibly find? Beautiful. My chair is awful. I'm so sorry. Nobody's hearing your chair squeak, at least not on our end. It may be very loud for you, but I'm not hearing. It's so bad.

49:31 OK. So are there any other questions or any other things that we wanted to bring up? We had another listener. What if? Oh, what was it? What if the campaign centered on instead of mouths, noses? And I think we've already talked about that. And we talked about this one and it made me very uncomfortable. So let's continue the conversation. No, no, let's not do. That. So you just got to punch it and make it a bloody nose. But would that make the nectar more potent? Yeah, I don't know, maybe maybe you should go to Bangkok to find out. That's a That's a hint and foreshadow.

50:15 The the only. Reason we get there when we get there. No, I don't. Yeah. The the only reason I didn't suggest Bangkok was I was, and this is like me bringing the knowledge I have about the Cthulhu Lethosen is I'm assuming that's where the like climax is going to be, because that's generally in a lot of the meet those stories, that area of the planet that like a lot of the like terrible shit is. Now, granted, that's because of reasons pertaining to Lovecraft as a person, but that's kind of besides. Yeah, like was it the the horrible peninsula of Liang or whatever, you know? Yeah.

51:01 Come along those lines. Yeah, OK. OK, well I guess you'll, I guess you'll find out. I, I, I don't care where you go next. I'm intrigued by the Ethiopia thing. You will discover a lot more about the origins of the cult if you go there. So there you go. Well, the mystery is what I'm enjoying the most, so hell. Yeah. Oh, you don't like being tortured? That's not your favorite part. I gotta. Say it's really not. Oh, OK, no. I'm just trying to give everybody what they want. I'm just batted, I guess. I wanted to remind people that I got a flask full of nectar in that last one. Yeah, you. Do I was, I was thinking about picking some of that out just for science even before JV was going to be addicted.

51:46 And it's like, hey, we don't know much about this stuff, let's get some tested now. I got a flask of it and someone who's madly addicted to it. I'm sure that'll be fine. Is JB the only one who has chemistry now because Kay had chemistry? I think so. Can't imagine how that's going to go back. Because I know Reg doesn't currently have chemistry and I don't think Colin has chemistry. No, that leaves JB. Oh, I'll take that. I'll analyze it. Don't worry, I'm going to analyze it. I don't have chemistry. Oh yeah, no, it is. Nobody currently has chemistry. All right, it is I this is actually something we should do. OK, We need to like, figure out what skills are now missing. Well.

52:35 Some of those will be on currents hopefully, but do remember that you have a whopping 12 points to spend to upgrade your stuff. And I probably will spend some on chemistry, maybe photography, just, you know, pick up some skills. Exactly, I don't think we need to have a full skill breakdown conversation on the mic. I think that could be, I don't know if that's entertaining for people or not. So I think we're reaching the end here. I guess here's my big question. What are you you guys are doing some what are you 2 doing spinning chairs around or something?

53:20 We're clearly reaching our attention span limit. Just like when I have my classroom and I'm like OK, the kids need a break because they are not going to keep listening. We're done. We're done now. It's it's called cute couple shit Dan I. Don't know about that. I suppose that's also a problem in my classes, but my question is this. Is this what it's like? I was not able to be on the part of the 24 hour stream where you guys supposedly broke Nathan?

54:01 Is that what's happening right now? This is a more mild version of that I think. Oh no, this feels milder. It does. I feel not broken. I, I am, you know, I don't break. So bad to be part of it. Yes, my question for you is this what do you want to happen for your character next? That's that's my big question. Like what do you what do you imagine something fun for your character would be? No promises it'll happen, but I'll try to lean towards that direction. I. Don't know. OK. My my expectations.

54:41 Look, I got a whole new character arc to plan now that JB has a a drug problem. Yeah. Yeah, OK. I know with, with me, pardon me, with me. I kind of want Reg to learn more about that stone carving that he's been carrying around with him 'cause he thinks it's significant. I'm sure it's significant. The start carving from the first episode. Yeah, the the that like eye carving cause, yeah, he still has that.

55:27 And like, part of the reason for that and part of my justification for that is after we had taken that out of the, the, the box that it was in and left the, all the, like the, the book or whatever it was that like the papers in there that should exploded. So like as far as Reg is concerned, that was protecting that from harm or it was stopping whatever happened, like whatever caused it to explode.

56:08 Maybe a good idea you're still holding on to that? That's what Reg thinks. Or maybe it's useless. There is always that possibility as well. This is Cthulhu MiTo shit. Yes, all right. How about you 2? I think maybe just seeing the most and losing sanity there. OK wouldn't have been super coherent time for tell him to develop a trauma or mental disorder, whatever they're called here. But I think watching Kay die, specifically watching Kay die, it would be a good time to manifest that.

56:54 OK, OK. I'm not crazy about the way they're written in the book where they feel like they're like tricks on the character, where like everybody in the party is like playing a trick on the character. But we'll need to try to figure out a way to do that 'cause that was like, oh, your character's going to have amnesia party, figure out what happened while you were gone, and then we don't tell you which. Also, I don't know how that works when you edit the goddamn podcast so. I think some like honestly like looking through it, I think out of the systems that I have played and run that have like trauma and mental illness mechanics, I think the the Trail of Cthulhu actually does it in the least problematic way I've seen because like it for most of the other. 1.

57:46 Yeah. Well, to be fair, like if you compare it to like old World of Darkness, stuff that has been put out for supplements for like older D20 systems and stuff like that. The stuff that Palladium put out. Oh God. It's, yeah, it's a lot better than a lot of those because like, it doesn't gamify it. Like it doesn't here. You now have this thing that you can't do this, you have this thing that like it. It's more of a narrative thing that can be played in, and it doesn't necessarily invalidate what came before it, if that makes sense.

58:36 Well, I'm also going to be curious. They're working on the second edition of Trail of Cthulhu, which should well, the books were going to ship out, but they're being printed overseas, which means, yeah, that's perfect time for that. Speaking of horrible monstrosities, but the PDF will come out. You don't need to print one of those. So I'll be curious what they do with that in the next edition. But that's that's still a little ways off anyway. What about you, Renee? With, I mean, I guess you have a whole new fucking character, so. Yeah, I mean, it's the 1930s, nobody knows healthy coping mechanisms.

59:24 And I suppose, I suppose this character comes with baggage, but As for this most recent thing that just happened in his life, I would like to be able to process that somehow, and I'm going to be trying to do that. Gotcha. In the few ways I know how as a as a, you know, presumably straight white guy in the 1930s wonder. What that was like. That's what we're about to find out. Yes, we're going to see how it goes. Well, I look forward to seeing how it goes, especially when we record a week from now.

1:00:15 Shit, I got to prep some shit. So thank you so much for. For. The spa day in Ethiopia. Before you go to Ethiopia, just have a spa day. Where would you have the spa day? Malta. No. No, we got out of there. We we were gone. Yeah, I guess you did go to the airplane. Let's stop in Rome first. Blow up the mouth and just like all right, time for a day off. What else is going to get kidnapped? Yeah, exactly.

1:01:00 The cult left town. Awesome. There it is. Now we broke. You know what? Bye. Thanks for listening. He's gone. No. Andy's back. I could have done that. That was just for the bit. That was just for the bit. That was just for the bit. It was glorious. Let's let's round it off with want to plug shit? Well, I think we still have Nathan. Nathan was talking about he was going to be addicted to stuff. Yeah.

1:01:44 Yeah, yeah. I the only other thing I was, yeah, there's I, I don't know, sorry, 20 seconds ago. I just learned that a new Monster of the Week book came out today. I'm glad I've been keeping your attention. It was someone pinged me on a different discord channel. Bite me. You're fine. You're fine. And you did say 20 seconds ago, so like you've been paying attention the whole time. Yeah, Daniel, listen to me to your 20 seconds. Ago exactly. Can I ask a question though about killing Hitler? What? About killing Hitler. What? What about killing Hitler?

1:02:24 If we all committed to just abandoned the whole shit and the whole mass shit and go to Austria to kill a Charlie Chaplin looking guy. I don't know if you would get close enough to him. Hyper Space Portal. But you need to know where he is and be familiar with the location that you're teleporting to. Yeah. So what you're saying is? Shadowing. So what you're saying is it could theoretically happen? Maybe let's. Not create a. Time paradox.

1:03:06 It's just become the most enthusiasm in the world. It's look, that's truly the direction you want to go. I have two things to say about it One, be aware that the cult is still active and we'll be really fucking stuff up. Two, kind of let me know so I can prep and read about what Berlin is an Austrian. All this shit is like during this time period. OK, I got. To know I'm not. Ready. And I'm we're. Doing Ethiopia first? And I'm pretty sure that the the the weird mustachio dictator was probably into some eldritch Cthulhu shit themselves. Exactly. He was.

1:03:47 He was meeting with Crowley and shit. Did he barely meet with Crowley? I don't know if those dudes get a load. OK. He did meet with Crowley. Yeah, as folks, I remember seeing something about that. Well, Crowley was just a fake on everything. He just wanted to have a bunch of fun times having sex with people and got to pretend he was magic because magic's not real, right? Please check out our podcast at danielsdreadtails.com. It's a website. We have it. You could go there. You can also find our podcast, Daniels Dread Tails, wherever podcasts are found. You could go to our YouTube channel, which is also Daniels Dread Tails. Maybe you're watching it there right now because you can see my lovely face.

1:04:34 Hi. I don't know, I don't plug it a lot. Maybe I'm using it more. Check out me, I'm on Blue Sky, LOTRDANDANDANLOTRDAN, Lord of the Rings, Dan is what it is. Check me out on the Biscay. I post things there occasionally. Let's see now. You can e-mail us at dansdreadtails@gmail.com. Yeah, we should probably put that places, yeah. Yeah, just don't no AI generated bullshit. If you. Are AI fuck yourself. OK.

1:05:15 So yeah, plugging shit. I can be found obviously here on the podcast and you know, we do the whole monthly stream thing. You should show up. It's a good time. And I also do streaming on Twitch and YouTube. You can find me by searching Magical Hack on either of those two platforms. Anything else you want to plug? I have this deviant art page I slash say slash 10 on deviant art I. Isn't it under score? Or is it slash? It's slash under score was taken. Oh, under score was taken. OK, gotcha. Yeah, I say 10.

1:05:56 I post paintings every once in a while. Some of them are inspired by this game. A lot of them are inspired by this game. And they're really cool. Thank you. Also the the painting. Just just want to say about the painting entitled captured. People assume that was Donovan. It was not Donovan. Yeah, we just, we just have a habit of tying people to cherries, I guess. It's a. Convenient thing to do. It's a convenient way to kidnap someone. It is, it really is some more important, allegedly. Anything else they're. Both spoilers without admitting they're spoilers. I suppose so.

1:06:38 Anything else we want to get out there? Nathan Russell? People find you on the Internet. OK, OK. We're we're all on the bits. OK, I no, I'm, I'm, I'm good. OK, cool. You know, we actually could probably just have ended it there. Bye, everybody. Thank you so much for listening. Let us know if you like the video part of this. I don't know, maybe it's cool you exceed my face. See my my graying beard and the fact that I maybe forgot we were doing this today.

1:07:18 So I'm very stubbly with that. I think for realsies. Goodbye. Goodbye. Have a great day.